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Welcome to Conversations, the podcast where meaningful discussions happen. Join Josh Andrew, a leader, pastor, and entrepreneur, every week as he engages in enlightening conversations with a diverse range of guests, including pastors, leaders, athletes, and more. Gain valuable insights and practical wisdom on topics such as entrepreneurship, leadership, and pursuing your passions. Whether you’re looking for inspiration for your side hustle or seeking valuable advice, this podcast is your go-to resource. Tune in and be part of the conversation!
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Friday May 30, 2025
Friday May 30, 2025
Let’s talk about it — why don’t people want to work at church anymore?
In this episode of Conversations, I break down the real reasons behind the growing disinterest in vocational ministry — especially among Gen Z and millennials. Spoiler: it’s not a passion problem, it’s a perception problem.
From burnout and over-programming to outdated staffing models and reactive leadership, I unpack what’s pushing people away — and how we can lead differently.
You’ll learn:
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What Barna’s data says about Gen Z and ministry in 2025
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The 3 culture shifts that are driving staff turnover
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Why influence and impact matter more than org charts
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How to recruit leaders with vision, not just fill roles
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What churches must do to attract, build, and keep high-capacity people
Connect with me on social media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joshnandrew
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@joshnandrew
Website: https://joshandrew.org
If you’re a church leader or team builder, this episode will challenge how you think about leadership, recruitment, and calling in today’s world.
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